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Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 768	Posted - 2012.03.26 10:09:00 - [1] - Quote Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: I'm very glad you were so fortunate to have kind holders. Most aren't so lucky. What evidence do you have to back this statement up? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 768	Posted - 2012.03.26 11:24:00 - [2] - Quote Meklon wrote: Rodj Blake wrote: Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: I'm very glad you were so fortunate to have kind holders. Most aren't so lucky. What evidence do you have to back this statement up? What evidence do you have to not back this statement up? I'm not the one making a claim, so it's not really necessary for me to provide evidence. But the fact that mistreatment of slaves goes against Imperial edicts, is counter-productive and is morally suspect should be enough for most people to accept that the majority of slaves are not mistreated despite what Shakorite propaganda would have them believe. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 768	Posted - 2012.03.26 13:01:00 - [3] - Quote Meklon wrote: If that is the case, I would imagine that PIE themselves adhere to these Imperial edicts. If that is true, then did your own Archbishop ever get tried for his mis-treatment of slaves? I don't believe abandoning a single slave in a cargo container in the depths of space with merely a copy of the Pax and a slaver hound would count as good treatment? Gods, I've missed this circle jerk with you Rodjy.... I'm sure that you don't need reminding that Archbishop is the chair of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 768	Posted - 2012.03.26 13:02:00 - [4] - Quote Rek Jaiga wrote: It really is simple. If it is the case only a minority of slaves were abused, there would have been no Rebellion. People who are generally happy or at least content with their station in life simply do not rebel. It thus follows there must have been a great deal of abuse, or else no Rebellion would have happened. So by your logic, those slaves which did not rebel were well treated, and the fact that rebellions are now rare demonstrates that slaves are mostly treated well. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 768	Posted - 2012.03.26 13:36:00 - [5] - Quote Rek Jaiga wrote: Not at all Rodj. Let me lay this down simply. If people have rebelled, they must have been unhappy. If P, then Q. Not-P does not imply not-Q. Denying the antecedent, are we Blake? To be more verbose, there are cases where rebellions are put down or the people brainwashed. These would be cases where there is slave abuse without rebellion. And yet I'm still waiting for actual evidence that the majority of slaves are badly treated. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 768	Posted - 2012.03.26 14:50:00 - [6] - Quote Rek Jaiga wrote: Rodj, I just presented evidence. It's called history. Furthermore, if the Empire is so merciful and great, why are there more Matari coming to the Republic willingly than the reverse (Matari willingly leaving the Republic to go to the Empire)? No, what you presented was conjecture and supposition. Simply saying that slaves only rebel when they are mistreated is a gross oversimplification. There are many examples of ungrateful slaves rebelling when they are well treated. Perhaps some Minmatars choose to go to the Republic because they believe the propaganda put out by the likes of you. Many of them find out the truth once they get there (such as Abel Jarek). Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 768	Posted - 2012.03.26 14:51:00 - [7] - Quote Meklon wrote: Rodj Blake wrote: Meklon wrote: If that is the case, I would imagine that PIE themselves adhere to these Imperial edicts. If that is true, then did your own Archbishop ever get tried for his mis-treatment of slaves? I don't believe abandoning a single slave in a cargo container in the depths of space with merely a copy of the Pax and a slaver hound would count as good treatment? Gods, I've missed this circle jerk with you Rodjy.... I'm sure that you don't need reminding that Archbishop is the chair of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves. Would that make you the table? At least it would be better than being the MUFF rug. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 768	Posted - 2012.03.26 16:44:00 - [8] - Quote Meklon wrote: Rodj Blake wrote: At least it would be better than being the MUFF rug. As for the case of Jarek, the acts carried out which led to his death were slightly over the top, however, in the defence of the "vigilante" force I can understand that their hatred of the Amarr faith could lead them to blindly attack and destroy what could have been seen as the beginning of a subversive attack on Matar... let alone the fact of allowing an Amarrian community to form on the homeworld. Slightly over the top? The ship carrying him was attacked by Minmatar pirates, his chapel was burned to the ground, and he and his followers were brutally murdered. I suppose you consider the mutilation and exile carried out by Minmatars in the name of their barbaric Voluval ritual to be "slightly over the top" as well? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 769	Posted - 2012.03.28 09:48:00 - [9] - Quote Meklon wrote: Yes, I do remember the Empress giving a token offering, but that doesn't really answer the question as to how many Matari are actively and openly allowed to practice their own cultural traditions? It's not really a relevant question as enlightened and emancipated Minmatars in the Empire tend to consider the Amarrian culture to be their own. And that's a good thing as civilised society tends to frown upon arson, piracy, mutilation and murder. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

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